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On killing's cost

Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:53 AM by Dateline Editor
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By Vince Sturla, Dateline Producer

I was browsing through a bookstore a few years back when I glimpsed the head-stopping title "On Killing," by Lt. Col David Grossman. I thought, "What the … ?"

I picked it up and read the subtitle: "The Psychological Cost Of Killing In War And Society." The general point was that while killing is often presented as an almost casual act in action movies, more often than not, it’s a traumatic, life-transforming experience for a combat troop or police officer -- no matter how just the cause. It makes a great deal of sense, but it was something I hadn’t seriously considered before.

Several years later, I came across an academic paper by Lt. Col. Peter Kilner that came to the same conclusion as Grossman’s book. In his paper, Kilner cited a study done of Vietnam veterans that indicated the most severely traumatized were the ones who had killed. Few of us can read that and say, “Oh yeah. I know what they’re talking about.” The vast majority of us – fortunately – have no idea what it’s like to take another life. We have no idea of the conflicts that take place in the hearts and minds of combat veterans who killed in war. Most of us are incapable of offering any meaningful advice or words of comfort.

On the flip side, you have returning combat troops who are loathe to broach the subject of killing because they don’t want their families to know they’ve taken a life. That’s how we end up with, as Lt. Col Peter Kilner puts it, “The Elephant In The Room, no one is talking about.”

Photo: Marine Sgt. Jesse Odom

Because of that code of silence, it took a couple of months of digging before I was able to find the three Iraq combat veterans, profiled in the second half of our report, who were willing to share the intimate details of their wartime killing. What was so interesting is that all three share common characteristics. They are intelligent, even though they struggled in high school; they loved the military for giving their lives structure and a sense of purpose; and they are extremely insightful and articulate. All of them are good writers.

One of them, former Marine Sgt. Jesse Odom, has even written a book about his wartime experiences, "Through Our Eyes." They all conveyed a certain wisdom that few of us, no matter how old we get, could ever obtain.

"Coming Home," a special Dateline on the effect combat killing has on soldiers, airs Dateline NBC on Sunday, May 25 at 7 p.m. ET.

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Mr. Wicks:

Thank you for raising a son who served selflessly as a patriot.  Our freedoms have been won and preserved by men and women like him.

I am very sorry for your loss. I promise you that I will do what I can within the military to prevent and mitigate PTSD and to provide compassionate services for our great veterans who are dealing with the post-combat issues.

With appreciation, sympathy, and respect,

Pete Kilner
how can an person to get away with murder and and get punished they sould get put in prison for life cause they will return to the place again,so why now they commit the crime and sould pay the piper cause they commited the crime.
My infantry unit was heavily active in Southwest Baghdad in 2006.

I have found that those who simply can't kill, or are confused by it, have no reason to be soldiers, airmen, sailors or marines in the first place.

Placing politics and religion aside for a moment, I realize that I VOLUNTEERED for the job.  I go and fight wherever I am told for whatever reason.  This does not make me a mindless robot as it has been so stereotyped.  I simply do not care about whether or not I should be there, who I am killing and why.  When soldiers on the ground facing bullets begin to ponder these things, hesitation tends to set in, and their team mates pay the price.

My moral justification for killing on the battlefield is "Better him/her than ME"

I once knew a soldier who joined the infantry simply because he wanted to kill people legally, and was serious about it.  He wasn't your typical nutcase. It was how he rocked his socks off.  He was the best soldier in my unit.  He never killed needlessly, never broke the rules of engagement and often times extended his heart to those who needed it.  He was a very intellegent individual who signed up for a job in which Uncle Sam, as well as HIMSELF, could benefit.

When he was called upon, he did his job with incredible effiency, and was proud of his work.


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