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Investigation uses hidden cameras -- and Aunt Alice

Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:21 AM by Dateline Editor
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By Chris Hansen, Dateline Correspondent

We’d been hearing complaints from senior citizens and government regulators across the country about the tactics some insurance salesmen are using to sell certain investments to retired folks. I’m a long ways off from retiring, but it’s an important subject to me because my mom’s close to that age and my aunts and uncles are already there. Given the turbulence we’ve seen on Wall Street, it seems like everyone is re-evaluating or repositioning their investments and would like to have their money in a safe place. And that’s what a lot of salesmen are pitching these days.

The investments are called equity-indexed annuities. They may be appropriate for some, but not for everyone. Why are so many people trying to sell these to retired folks? Simple: that’s where the money is. Seniors control more than $15 trillion in today’s economy and for the salesmen, these annuities pay healthy commissions.

Dateline decided to use hidden cameras to find out what salesmen were really saying or not saying to seniors when peddling these investments. We attended some of those “free lunch” seminars put on for potential clients, classes where salesman are taught the tricks of the trade. We wired some houses in communities where a lot of retired people live, so we could see the one-on-one pitch play out in real time.

What we found in many cases was remarkable. Some salesmen are being trained to scare the elderly into buying certain investments. In our hidden camera homes, we saw that some agents were not disclosing how long the senior’s money would be tied up, in some cases longer than the investor would live. We also saw some salesman not disclosing details about surrender penalties that would have to be paid if the senior had an emergency and had to access their money.

In order to carry out this investigation, though, we needed the help of some senior citizens who would invite salesmen over to hear the pitches. In Alabama, we met a 77-year-old semi-retired lawyer named Leon who fit the bill.

But we also needed help in Arizona. I had just seen my aunt Alice at a funeral in Chicago. She had come up from Arizona, where she lives part of the year. We had a nice chat and I expressed my condolences for her husband, my uncle Charlie, who had also recently passed away.

A few weeks later I wondered if Alice might be the perfect choice to help us in our investigation. After consulting my mom, I reached out for Alice who ultimately agreed to be a part of our story. She was perfect because she was exactly the type of person some salesmen seek: retired, widowed and in possession of a retirement nest egg.

She asked the right questions and as you’ll see in our story she presents herself pretty darn well on camera. Now if I can only get the rest of my family working on my stories.

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I just filed a complaint against an agent for the exact same thing. My husband and I were completely mislead by the agent reguarding our "MultiFunded Annuity policy.  I filed the complaint on 04-07-08, before I knew about this story. Even though we are not "SENIORS" this agent has taken our life saving with misleading jargon that we never agreed to.  
Does anyone know how to get ahold of Chris Hansen? I have someone now trying to scam me they even sent me a check I have here but don't know what to do/ HELP!
Not an advocate of indexed annuities but in general, annuties are very effective for some individuals. I certainly hope you give equal time to the benefits of such sales - after all, in our industry, we MUST, BY LAW give both sides of the story.
Dear Chris,  I applaude you for your upcoming expose on insurance agents taking advantage of seniors.  However, I own a company called the Senior Information Center in Boca Raton, Florida.  We do not treat our clients in any way like you will be showing in your series.  I know there are many agents that prey and take advantage of the seniors, but we are not one of those agents.  So I would invite you to attend any of our seminars or to stop into my office to see how we conduct ourselves.  There is always two sides to every story and I hope you will be showing that in your series.  
I actually own an insurance company that deals with asset protection and in some cases the sale of Index annuities. (They are not called EIA anymore.)  I am in total support of this type of show bringing to light the practices of some "agents" who do not have the best interests of their clients at heart.  It is so important for our industry to have a good reputation and this is a good thing.  However, in saying that, I hope that Dateline does this responsibly and presents the good as well as bad.  ALL INVESTMENTS have their pros and cons, and we find fault with anyone who doesn't present ALL sides to each case.  I trust Dateline will do a fair job, but with the reputation of the media, I have my dreads.
It is no secret within the industry that "indexed annuities" were created so that individuals with only an insurance license would have something to sell that on the surface, at least, would compete with low cost actively managed annuities.

If you want to blame someone, blame the CEO's of certain insurance companies and more importantly the insurance commissioners of the various states who approved these things that often contain surrender penalties that last over a decade.

We often forget that the time honored pension is nothing more than an annuity so we know they work and work well for retirement instruments, but without doubt there are some individuals and companies who will create ones whose main emphasis is commissions and not value.

A good annuity is a good investment vehicle.  A bad one is truly bad!  Indexed annuities were designed as marketing tools rather than investment vehicles.  A good low cost variable annuity has many, many benefits for the income dependent elderly.  It's marketing however, is regulated by the SEC ultimately, and thus held to a different and higher standard of value.
Chris, I would like to point out that Indexed Annuities usually do not pay "high commissions"  
the highest paying commissions are usually Variable annuities, which quite often pay twice the commissions of Indexed Annuities.  These annuities (variables)generally cannot be sold by insurance agents, yet they have the same downsides that you are portraying in your investigation, plus the risk of being invested directly in the stock market.  Did you take a look at these?  I am an insurance agent and frequently help people protect their assets from the volatility of the stock market through the use of both Indexed annuities and Fixed annuities.  I hope that you show the good points of annuities: deferred growth,cannot lose principal, can avoid probate; to name a few.  I agree with some of the posts above that there are some agents who do not use ethics to guide them, but there are many more that do.
Wish they could do a segment on power companies in PA and how they give ~$30,000.00 to in equipment to contractors to audit Energy in people's homes...other contractors can't compete.....and the homes are not eligible for the program.....no screening..."just spend the money...the PUC is watching" Public Utility Commission..not many contractors used to do this stuff...now more are getting into it...so a little news is being generated about this scandal
I am an insurance agent in Wisconsin.  It seems that it is getting harder & harder for agents to sell annuities.  The bad press about them is rampant.  A lot of seniors label them as "bad", yet in the majority of cases when I ask them to explain why, they don't know!  They just remember bits & pieces--mostly INACCURATE about an article they read, or a story on the news they heard, or what a friend said, etc.  I do agree that there are some unscrupulous agents who don't fully explain (and in SOME cases) don't honestly explain the details of the annuity, but I am afraid that all too often reports like this on Dateline NBC add unnecessary fuel to the fire.  Unfortunately "scare tactics" are used by some agents, but I also see Dateline's report as a "scare tactic"!  There are a lot a ethical agents out there!  Please don't give the industry a black eye because of the sales "practices" of A FEW!!  To echo the comments above, there is good and bad in EVERY investment option out there & in every person "selling" those investments!  -B    
It's interesting to me that so much media attention is given to insurance products, particularly annuities, and very little is given to the harm that is done through the use of securities.  In my 10 years in the financial services business, I have yet to see any senior damaged financially by a fixed annuity or EIA as severely as by mutual funds that tank or other securities that have a lot more risk.  That being said, I know the tactics can be brutal and that no investment is right for every person.  I am a bit tired of the media reporting that their money is "Locked up".  It may have a surrender charge for a certain number of years, but that does not mean they have zero access to their funds.  In fact, I have used fixed annuities with a 10 year surrender to give a client immediate monthly income.  In many cases, if the product fits the retiree, the longer contract may give them a better guarantee, more income, higher interest, etc.  I hope that dateline is responsible as well, but I doubt it as their job is to create veiwership, even if that means they only tell a portion of the story.
We have been misled about this in the exact same was as being described in your article.  You are a few years too late.  We have just been charged thousands of dollars for an "early withdrawal" from three different sources even though our contract says there will be no such charge because of my husbands age.  The reason they state is that the account is a "house account" and not a direct purchase.  Would love to know more about a house account.  In one account they took a huge bundle and tell us it was in the annuity contract and prospectus both of which we have no record of.  Questioned the broker and he doesn't have a copy of it either.  Isn't that against legal behavior?  Wish you had done this story 10 years ago.  This "agent" has cost us a lot of money!
Dear Chris,  I have been a resident licensed agent for 16 years plus in CA.  My prior career was as a senior analyst for Lockheed Aerospace before the nationwide major aerospace recession.  I have been specializing in both traditional and fixed indexed annuities (FIAs) in both the Tax Sheltered Annuity market as well as the senior market.  FIAs can be a valuable retirement safe harbor.  There should always be full disclosure to the client regarding surrender periods, surrender charges, liquidity options etc. A person with ethical integrity should fully disclose clearly the pluses and minuses of their product.  It is an ethical issue as well that the media be cautious not to wield their influence to bias the public in purchasing something that could be very benefical to them.
Wow, already from the preview video clip I see unscrupulous media behavior by tossing out bombshells that I KNOW are untrue.  The man in the video, if it is true that he invested in an Indexed annuity, did not lose his life savings.  As a matter of fact, in the worst case seniero, if he were to cancel his contract, would have a penalty or withdrawal fee.  I am still hopeful that NBC will do the right thing, but if prior experience is the judge, then watch out folks, another reckless media created hype fest, done to get ratings and scare the public into an unwarranted state of fear.
By the way, nice timing.  At the same time your network, as well as others, talks of the looming recession, you will "expose" the only products that offer, safety from market loss, for your ratings, but in the meantime, due to your reckless behavior, scare American seniors again from maybe the only way to preserve their assets.
Seniors are tired of being "prayed" upon by the media in making them feel like they should be afraid of every little thing in their world.
Again, I hope I am wrong, but so far, not so good.  We will see on Sunday.
I appreciate your work in exposing unfair sales practices in many areas; annuities, autos, repairs etc. I wish you would spend more time on the other side of these stories; showing people how to find reputable sales people and evaluate these services so they can make good decisions on their own behalf. People need to buy cars, get repairs, do their taxes and understand annuities. These contracts can be very helpful if properly understood. It is important to understand the costs, guarantees, liquidity and other features. Some annuities have holding periods of as little as one year. I own them in my own IRA and have been very happy with the performance and peace of mind I get from knowing I won't lose money and the above average returns I have experienced. I got tired of watching my mutual funds go up and down. Please help you audience become good purchasers, not just afraid.  Thanks
I am an investment professional who, when the situation is right, has suggested indexed annuities to clients.  As a professional who puts the welfare of my clients ahead of any commissions, I hope that you also dedicate a significant amount of time to fairly portray that for some individuals an indexed annuity may be the best investment vehicle for them.
I am a financial advisor with a well known and respected company with offices in the USA,UK, and Canada. The type of sales practice and annuity (Equity Indexed Annuity)Dateline is investigating is in my opinion not in the best interest of anyone. I hope Dateline will explain that these types of annuities are NOT offered by most large investment firms or larger insurance companies for the simple reason that hardly anyone can understand them and they are not at all in the best interest of the client. There are, however, many appropriate annuities on the market today offered by respected brokerage firms that are appropriate for the retired person. Thank you.
My family and I are Dateline junkies. However, I learned a couple weeks ago that they would be running this "scam". I own an insurance AND registerd investment (securities) business and thought "this will be very interesting". As the other blogger indicates, I ASSUME, Dateline will show the side of what a LICENSED planner shows his clients. While I am one who LIKES index annuities, it's true that they are not for EVERY person or situation. And, my firm ALWAYS has to go through surrender periods and the pro's and con's of each type of account.

Dateline!! I would LOVE to show you the ETHICAL side of presenting annuties!!!    
FIA's, not EIA's are not investments. They are savings vehicles designed to offer protection of principle, tax deferral, and above average chance for gain when compared to traditional fixed annuities and CD's. I truly hope this is not another case of fearmongering by a network as not all annuities are bad and not all salesmen are disreputable. When used correctly FIA's offer client advantages that no other financial tool does and are pivotal in providing lifetime income. To truly get both sides of this story, consult NAFA ,the National Association of Fixed Annuities.
This reminds me of a local federal case her in Nebraska. Bryan Behrans is said to have scammed 6.5 billion out of mostly seniors.

Here is the SEC link.http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2008/lr20427.htm It has been disappointing that there had been very little press coverage on the case.
I just entered into one of these annuities.  My agent disclosed all of the surrender penalties and made it clear how long my money would be held up.  I also read the entire brochure before my appointment and felt nothing was withheld from me.  I am comfortable with my decision.  Make sure you include all sides to this story because these can be good things.
Dear Chris,  I have been a resident life agent for over 16 years in CA + I have non-resident insurance licenses in NY, NJ, & AZ. My prior career was as a senior analyst for Lockheed Aerospace before the nationwide major aerospace recession.  I have been specializing in both traditional and fixed indexed annuities (FIAs) in both the Tax Sheltered Annuity market as well as the senior market.  FIAs can be a valuable retirement safe harbor.  There should always be full disclosure to the client regarding surrender periods, surrender charges, liquidity options etc. A person with ethical integrity should fully disclose clearly the pluses and minuses of their recommended products only after determining if it is suitable for the client.  Almost all companies have Annuity Suitable Forms that must be completely to confirm that an annuity purchase suits the client's current financial situation and long term goals.   It is an ethical issue as well that the media be cautious not to wield their influence to bias the public in purchasing something that could be very benefical to them.  Most Sincerely, Yaakov Simons Los Angeles California
When someone sells a mutual fund or a stock do they get a comission?  Or when you buy a car or a house do those people get a comission?  
The unfortunate fact is that EVERY industry has its abusers.  I strongly applaud your efforts and that of regulators to help weed out the our bad apples. The issue is Suitability and Disclosure.  However, there are some Fixed Deferred Annuities that are indeed highly suitable for some Seniors; providing full disclosure of potential benefits and limitations are disclosed, reviewed, and signed off on.  The right products for the right clients offer tax-deferral, opportunity for above average return, reasonable liquidity and, above all, SAFETY.  Ask anyone in the so-called Securities Market today how safe he feels.  You won’t have to ask my clients. ….but some of them may wonder after seeing your show!  The potential to paint a whole industry with the same dirty brush is troublesome.  I’m expecting a lot of phone calls.
Good for Chris Hansen and DateLine! I am an insurance agent and hate having to live with the stigma that unethical agents create.Maybe they will begin to think twice now that DateLine is doing it's thing.Maybe they will be in your town next?
My name is Sheryl J. Moore, and I am an independent market research analyst that owns a consulting firm which tracks every product and company in the indexed annuity market, as well as the sales of the products. I, along with everyone else in the indexed annuity industry, have long awaited this segment. However, I am disappointed after seeing the teaser which shows Chris Hanson interviewing Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson. Indexed annuities are good products that provide downside guarantees and the potential for greater upside potential than many other safe money instruments (such as traditional fixed annuities and CDs). However, they are not a one-product-fits-all solution. In addition, there is no excuse for bad agent behavior. Insurance companies in this industry do not put up with it. Market conduct and suitability (particularly senior suitability) has been a primary focus in our industry since Fall of 2005, and tremendous strides have been made. I won't go down the laundry list of accomplishments, but I will refer you to IMSA for more information (www.imsaethics.org). As a consumer, I rely on the news for unbiased information that provides BOTH sides of the story. I was disappointed that both Chris and Lori make indexed annuities sound complex. The excerpt where Lori reads the description of a market value adjustment (MVA) is standard language for ALL annuities (fixed, indexed, and variable) which bear this feature. That one segment may have sounded complex while taken out of context to a [lawyer] or [news correspondent], but is explained at length in language that is approved by the insurance division in the contract that is presented to the client in the annuity contract. Understandably, Lori has a political agenda. However, I would have thought Chris would have followed-up on items such as this with an industry expert, not just a politician with an agenda. This segment looks like it is going to be another sensationalist story with hidden camera evidence of some bad apples to support Lori Swanson's argument. Hopefully, Chris Hanson has the integrity to tell viewers that since his taping, Minnesota's legislative auditor has launched a preliminary investigation into allegations of ethical and legal lapses in Attorney General Lori Swanson's office (of interest, Swanson and some of her top aides have been accused of trying to find defendants to fit lawsuits on high-profile topics.) Yes, at times indexed annuities are the instrument that are used in the course of bad agent behavior. However, I would hope that by now Chris Hanson, along with all of our viewers, would realize that this is the case with ANY financial product. A special message to Lori- more than 42% of all sales in the fourth quarter of 2007 went into products with a ten years surrender charge ("a lengthy, lengthy period"? How do you define that, Lori?) . And, FYI Chris, indexed annuities are not investment products. I look forward to the broadcast, and view it as an opportunity for us all to improve our practices.
Just as there are bad, and good, car salesman, there are bad and good insurance salesman.  I am certainly in favor of shedding light on the practices of unethical and/or illegal practices by SOME agents.  However, I do hope that Mr. Hansen is not trying to increase his own ratings and thus line his own pockets at the expense of the many good agents who have families to provide for and who take pride in the fact that they do what is in their clients BEST INTEREST.  Being one of those agents, I can honestly say that I greatly enjoy the fact that I help a lot of people.  So, Mr. Hansen, I hope you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Chris,  I am a licensed insurance agent and a registered representative with a broker dealer.  The key to selecting the right investment is called "suitability." This involves elements such as "risk tolerance" and "time horizon" along with he client's personal circumstances.  If the client has to be "sold" on an investment, it may not be the right one.  The best way for consumers to make sure they are dealing with a reputable agent is to check with the appropriate state insurance department for complaines.  If the agent is a registered secutities representative (most reputable ones will), the comsumer can easily run a report called "Broker Check" at www.finra.org.  FINRA is the new name for the NASD.  This report gives a decent amount of detail about the representatine.  Although there are plenty of scams, please make your viewers aware that we are looking at the exception - not the rule.  Most of us who work with retirement planning are reputable and do a good job for our clients, earning every penny of that "big commission."  My concern with your story is that it may scare some seniors away from any investment, allowing inflation to destroy their purchasing power.  Anyway, a starting point for the consumer is education: About investment opportunities... but mostly about your investment professional.  Thanks,  J L Spence
I can't wait to see this show!!  I am a financial advisor in California and I've been complaining about the abuses in annuity sales for the past couple of years (with little effect)...  

I've all but given up trying to change my industry and, instead, have decided to educate as many retirees as I can about the positives and negatives of annuities so that they, in the end, can make the best possible decision.  I also advise retirees to ask for annuities with no surrender-charges if they end up being convinced that the annuity is the best thing for them...  That way, they can walk away if they need to without penalty.

To be fair, are annuities bad products?  Of course not.  They have a place (just as stocks, bonds, CDs, etc have a place).  The problem, as I see it, is that the high commissions paid on annuity sales have caused too many people to sell them in less than suitable situations.  

Are the agents doing it just to make a commission?  Who knows...  But, in the end, does it matter what the agent's motivation was if the client (especially a senior citizen) ends up with something that truly doesn't work for them???

I have a suggestion (and I look forward to reading commentary on this)...  Let's pass a national law that says that if you sell an annuity to someone over age 65, that annuity CAN NOT have a surrender charge.  If the insurance company wants to offer a high commission on a product that is sold to someone over age 65, they can certainly do that.  However, if the senior's life situation changes, the insurance company should have to "claw back" the commission from the rep (instead of hitting the client with a big surrender charge).

I'll be recording this show and playing it to everyone I can!
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!  Equity Indexed Annuities ARE NOT the problem.  They offer a phenomenal strategy in protecting principal of investment for seniors.  IT IS ONLY THE UNETHICAL (or uneducated) SALESPEOPLE WHO ARE THE PROBLEM!!  There are many ethical financial professionals doing free meal seminars.  WHY CAN'T the media focus on the TRUTH in where the problems lie, TEACH the public the simple ways to protect themselves, and stop the overall assault on the ENTIRE financial professional industry, specific marketing strategies and EIAs in particular??
Why would a senior buy an INDEX ANUITY??It doesn't make any sense  
I also had an issue with my insurance co. this past week.  My husband and I are both retired.  The rep. wanted us to invest our CDs and IRA into their annunities and also, not telling us that if we needed our money back how to get it, or if any penalties  may occur. I chose not to invest. At that point the rep., without my knowledge, when to my daughter's place of employment, had her pulled from her work area, asked to speak in private and that it was about her parents. The first thing she thought of was that my husband and I had died.  He went on and told her,that her parents were not making a rational decision. Is that an invasion of privacy or WHAT. I called his supervisor and make a formal complaint of his tactics.
I too sell Fixed Indexed annuities and feel I do in a very open, total revealing manner.  I am concerned about the program's total forthrightness after viewing the clips and info available.  Comments by the seniors that "they took all my money" seems to indicate when the transaction was completed they had no money or value.  They may have had values with unintended surrender costs/periods but to insinuate they may have lost all their funds is not appropriate if it's not the case.
  Bottom line, if the program doesn't fairly present all sides of the subject, the program will be just as bad or even worse than agents for not fully revealing all aspects of a transaction.
Tom Chrisman  Santa Fe, NM



My 73 year old mom and I sat through a "asset Protection for Seniors" "free diiner" at an upscale steakhouse. The presentation (scripted by an insurance carrier specializing in Equity indexed Annuities (EIA)) was designed to create doubt in banks, securities and raise the flag on the EIA.
We sat through a presentation at my mom's home where the answer was an EIA that would create a "legacy" for beneficiaries nad $17,000 in commission for the agent.
Check ou the work Senator Herb Kohl has done in protecting seniors.
I am an insurance agent in Texas and work primiarly with Seniors across the whole state.  I sell all insurance products, including annuities.  When selling an annuity I alway explain the ins and outs of the product, the 10% penalty free withdrawal feature annually, the surrender charges, read the disclosures and brochures to all potential clients. I fully disclose everything about the product, I hope that your program addresses agent like myself that do not mislead seniors.  As an ethical agent I applaude you for airing this segment, but I also hope you have done investigative hidden cameras on agents that fulling disclose to seniors to show the good side.  Agents like myself that do the right thing.

I have worked in the insurance and investment industry for many years.  My company does not sell Equity Index Annuities, however, we do sell other types of annuities.  Over the years annuities have gotten a bad rap, some of it merited.  However, in recent years, new benefits have been introduced to variable annuities that have made this product very good for the investing public.  Most of the large giants who participate in sales of these types of products have check and balance systems in place for their agents regarding suitability and do a great job of making sure that the appropriate product is sold to the appropriate client.  While I am not a fan of equity index annuities, there needs to be a distinguishment between these products and other types of annuities.  Unfortunately, most people will only remember the word, annuity, not the type of  contract it was.  I suggest you do a segment on the good things that some types of annuities do for people who are retiring or are already retired.  In a world where one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch, those of us who operate in an honest and ethical environment need a reprieve from one-sided reports.    
I am so glad this subject has finally surface. My Mother was a victim of this crime.It has taken a toll on my family. My mom is 77 years old, a widow and just sold the family's ranch. Plus everything she own. The vulture were circling and I had no controll of this matter until it was to late.It has taken months to find a good lawyer and plus to convince my mother that this guy was misleding her. This Financial Advisor had her so convince that she was doing the right thing,in the name of jesus christ.It pulled her heart stringes.We are making progress in returning our finaces.Thank you for telling this story and helping the elderly.
Dear Chris;

I am contacting Dateline today to report a fraud, scam, and theft of property
committed by a collegue whom I met in college in
New York.

The story begins like this, I was interested in
manufacturing urban Men's clothing in
Asia, so I contacted hhim via email on
facebook.com and spoke to him on the phone in
Singapore. Then he arranged a factory for me Thailand
and promised me it will take 6 weeks from June 4 2007.

1.  After contacting him, he promised me he
can find a factory in Thailand and even offered to and
to manufactures of the clothing for me.

2.  After talking to Dilip, I mailed him 4 samples
clothing via express through the United
States Postal Services in June 2006.

3.  After sending him with the package, I then send
him $5000 for the production of the Men's jeans at
Mail the samples to his address in Singapore.

4.  It has being several months since I sent him my
sample and the money for the production of the
clothing but he have not deliver any goods to me as
of today and have ignored me.

5.  When I first spoke to him, he told me he is
currently waiting to enlist in the Singaporean
military and introduce me to his friend to assist me
with the production of the clothing in his absence,
but I have not receive anything yet.

6.  My problem is this, how do I recover my goods or
money from him when refuses to communicate with me
but always communicating with some our college
associates on myspace.com and facebook.com

I will like to know what are the necessary steps
involved to file a criminal fraud and corrupt charges
against him.

I have his information and it is available upon request.

Thank your for immediate reponse.

Boe

I also really hope you show both sides of the story.  There are some very bad Indexed Annuities out there, but there are also some very good ones.  Just like there are good and bad agents.  It is never advisable to lock all your money up into an annuity, but it can be a great tool for a portion of your money because it's tax deferred, it avoids probate, and many of them are guaranteed never to lose money.
Mr. Hansen,

How about doing an expose on the sales practices of stock brokers who always seem to emphasize the potential high returns a stock or mutual fund has as outweighing the potential risk of loss.  I have personally seen hundreds of thousands of dollars lost from brokerage accounts under the guise that, "it was the market."  Yet, these brokers are supposed to have fiduciary responsibility for their clients.  Or, how about the surrender charges, contract lengths AND risk of loss that Variable annuities have.  I think you are missing the boat as to where seniors face the most potentially financially devastating risk, licensed securities dealers.  They, by in large sell products and vehicles in which the owner can lose nearly all, or all, of their life savings.  I have seen it happen.  In the interest of responsible "reporting", choose to do a story on several areas inside the financial services industry.  There is plenty of greed, graft and fraudulent behavior to find in ALL areas of financial services.
Dear Chris,  I have been a resident life agent for over 16 years in CA + I have non-resident insurance licenses in NY, NJ, & AZ. My prior career was as a senior analyst for Lockheed Aerospace before the nationwide major aerospace recession.  I have been specializing in both traditional and fixed indexed annuities (FIAs) in both the Tax Sheltered Annuity market as well as the senior market.  FIAs can be a valuable retirement safe harbor.  There should always be full disclosure to the client regarding surrender periods, surrender charges, liquidity options etc. A person with ethical integrity should fully disclose clearly the pluses and minuses of their recommended products only after determining if it is suitable for the client.  Almost all companies have Annuity Suitable Forms that must be completely to confirm that an annuity purchase suits the client's current financial situation and long term goals.   It is an ethical issue as well that the media be cautious not to wield their influence to bias the public in purchasing something that could be very benefical to them.  Most Sincerely, Yaakov Simons Los Angeles California
It's about time Index Annuities and sales tactics get exposed.  I've been in the investment business for 25 years. The sale of these products are ALL about the sales commission.  DO NOT believe these commission-driven insurance agents when they say there is another side to the story.  It's ALL about their commission...not the clients!  It's like the vampires guarding the blood-bank. Seniors and would-be buyers...beware!
If you really want to see some seniors rippd off by insurance agents selling annunities through dinner seminars go to Spring Hill, FL and The Villages, FL. Agents keep transferring the senior's retirement funds from annuities to annuities just for the commission and cost the seniors a lot of money for surrender charges. It is sad that an agent talks the senior into letting him/her transfer their retiement funds that are already in annuities to new annuities that gives the senior a little bonus and the agent a big commission, expensive paid vacations, rolex watches and many other expensive gilfs.  
Looking forward to your piece.  Just remember,  these products may be restrictive and there is NO excuse for bad sales practices, but this story pales in comparsion to the amount of money lost for investors by "sophisticated, highly educated, Wall Street hedge fund and money managers. They never seem to be held accountable for their "deceptive" sales practices.
If you think these agents are "bad apples" you need to check out agents and "planners" at Banks...they sell everone they meet an annuity!

Also, as an agent with 30 years of experience I can assure you that the Index annuity products meet the needs of specific seniors under specific circumstanmces...better than other investment and savings vehicles, the problem is with the agents, not the product. Please do not smear products that actually help people by linking bad salesmen and wommen to them.
I have a question for you...are these all scam artist or did you do your homework and actually talk to some responsible agents who do what is right by the client? You know that when you do things like this you hurt the good as well...There are some that will constantly do what is right by the client. Did you talk to them? Please come interview us, come talk to our clients. Be fair. There are good honest agents all over this country you are hurting. Do what is right be fair and honest! Hey why aren't you attacking the stock brokers that are losing these clients money? They are losing seniors thousands upon thousands of dollars and charging them for it! Have you done on expose on them?
Probably not...
I am an insurance agent in Florida who does sell fixed indexed anuities. I comend Dateline for exposing those of us who, shall we say, give the rest of us a bad name.  I have told several of my clients and prospective clients to watch your investigation this evening to compare the differances between a really bad agent and a good one. In many cases fixed indexed annutities are wondferful for the senior and pre-retirment markets.  They offer market risk protection, in many cases, a base guaranteed rate of return, living benefits such as assistance paying for nursing home care, Tax Deferred growth (often resulting in a reduction of tax on Social security benefits), and dealth benefits to the heirs.  In addition, in many states, annuities( including variable, fixed traditional, and fixed indexed) are considered life insurance policies and as such the cash value in or any payments comming from them are totaly creditor proof.  In closing, I would like to say to all of the viewers and producers, in a bunch of grapes you are likely to find several bad ones.  It dosen't mean that the whole bunch is bad and shouldn't be used to make that perfect bottle of wine.  This concept I sincerely hope that Datline will convey.
Dear Chris,

Having not seen the entire show at this time, I am not suprised you were able to find some of the very worst of the people in the Insurance industry.  They do not deserve to be allowed to continue.  We as an industry take very seriously the actions that hurt our clients.  Remember we too, Insurance Brokers, have Parents, and Aunts and Uncles, and we would not want them mistreated.

I would like to point out that the majority of the Insurance Agents I know that have been in the business over 5 years, are honest, caring and ethical people.  And we add value to people's lives and make a differenct to our clients everyday.  I hope you will allow some Good Agents to have time to respond.

The industry and the public do not need or WANT agents that do not do the RIGHT thing for their clients.

In my business, I use the example if I would not sell this product to my own Mom and Dad, I will not offer it to a client.
I am a Registered Investment Advisor representative and we sometimes recommend Fixed Indexed Annuities for a PORTION of a client's portfolio. We also recommend a protion to be managed by a professional money manager. I would not jepoardize my license as an investment professional in order to make a sale.

Please make you give credit to professionals in the industry who abide by the rules and give the appropriate advice.

From what I've seen it looks like you are portraying anyone selling Fixed Indexed Annuities as a predator. All financial strategies have a reason and that is to accomodate the client so that they can fulfill their goals that is if the plan is done by a professional.

Please give both sides of the story in your report because you could damage a valid tool in the the toolbox  of valid Investment Advisers.
Chris,
I am an insurance sales person and specialize in the Senior community.  My practice is devoted on doing what is right for the individual and not what is best for me personally as a salesperson.  I also do provide seminars, however, during my seminars I always warn of some of the false and misleading sales tactics provided at the seminar.  Some of these are as follows:
1.  Here is the book I wrote...total BS.
2.  Here is a magazine article written about my...again total BS.
3.  Misleading credentials
Also, during my seminars, I stress the difference between Fixed Annuities (FIA's too) v. Variable Annuities.  You should know that Variable Annuities are sold by Stock Brokers and not Insurance Agents and for the most part are much worse than Fixed Indexed Annuities.  In fact, the average Variable Annuity has an annual cost of 2.2-3.2%.  Many VA's are sold with the understanding that you can never lose your money aka principal protection.  Again, this is total BS.  Case in point.  I met with an individual retired male 1 month ago and reviewed his annuities.  He had 3 VA's.  In all cases the brokerage company and insurance company made more money than the insured.  This was due to the high annual cost of 3.2%.  What was most unfortunate about this case is that the money was the man's IRA.  Facts:  Since 1999, the policy inception date, this man's initial investment of $122K had shrunk to $72K.  The investment since inception earned a whopping $895.00-yes, that is right 895.00.  This investment should have earned a minimum of 5% annually.  After calling the broker and insurance company we discovered that Allstate earnied approx. $32,000 in fees during the 9 year period.  Bottom line is that I find more Senior abuse by Stock Brokers selling VA's than I do insurance agents selling FIA's.  The challenge with annuities in general is all the options they can come with are used to sell/mislead seniors into thinking their money is growing at rates (7-8%) that are not realistic given today's interest rates.  I would ask you to recognize that there are good and bad annuities, stocks, mutual funds and investments of all kinds.  At the end of the day it always comes down how the products real benefits provide real value.  I will tell you that there are many annuities that are very good for seniors.  Having said all this, I will acknowledge that I have personally witnessed some horrific people using scandalous sales tactics to make a sale, whether the product is right or not for the client.  In most of these cases you have an insurance sales person or a stock broker using intimidation tactics to belittle the senior.  As I said in the beginning, I am an insurance agent and am very proud of the work my practice does, because we truly help our clients.  Often is the case that I am fixing another bad agent/brokers plan.

Good luck with your show.  I hope it also shows the good that has been done for many seniors who have worked with good agents.

Sincerely,
Jeff Leonard
Chris - Cannot wait to see your piece tonight about insurance agent scams.  Please do some research with the Maryland SEC and a certain financial planner out of the Baltimore area.  He had a captive audience with us (State could ban broker from selling securities - Baltimore ...The Maryland Securities Commissioner alleges that Joseph Karsner IV steered clients into improper investments, and some lost so much money they had to come ...
baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2007/04/09/story8.html?jst=pn_pn_lk - 107k - Cached - Similar pages

Some of us have lost our homes, have had to go back to work after actually retiring, are broke.  He, on the other hand, has had many many records expunged.  This type of thing must be STOPPED!!


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