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Have you been scammed?

Posted: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:56 PM by Dateline Editor
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by Chris Hansen, Dateline correspondent

I just wanted to thank you all for the overwhelming response we've received after our latest investigations. As you know, in the past few weeks we have used some of the same enterprising hidden camera investigative techniques that we use in our "To Catch A Predator" series to expose other crimes and scams. Apparently many of you yourselves have been targeted by the types of thieves we recently highlighted.

First, in "To Catch A Con Man," we tracked down some of the people behind those e-mails most of us have received offering millions, if only we'd put up some of our own cash to help a stranger in a far away land access an account only the e-mail sender knows about. I posed as an investor and turned the tables on the con men by exposing and then confronting them.

On March 27th, we aired the first part of our investigation into identity theft and credit card fraud, "To Catch An Identity Thief." Tonight, we are showing you the second part. I don't know that we've ever infiltrated a crime syndicate the way we have in this story. We started by getting into chat rooms that are virtual thieves markets for stolen credit card information and identities. We formed "Hansen Discount Electronics" on the web and "CH Delivery" so we could track this crime and the people committing it from the United States through Europe and into West Africa.

I have heard from thousands of you who have been victimized by the kinds of crimes we have investigated. It got me thinking about other stories we could do using our investigative techniques and hidden cameras. I am sure you have some great ideas as well and I want to hear about them. This is a great forum for you to tell me about the things you think should be investigated. Perhaps you have even documented some of these concerns on video. I may want you to share that with us as well to get us started.

Thanks again and I look forward to hearing from you.

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Hi!  I watched this show about online scam and realized that I have been and still am getting these kind of letters which sometimes can be very tempting to answer back because I am on pension and could use the extra money but I have been just deleted these letter sent to me from different countries and the latest which was a couple of days ago from Poland I think, from a women artist that needs someone to help here get her cheques from Canada and the US cashed for her.  Do I report these e-mail or to whom to I report this, my local police office?  I would really appreciate some direction on how to get rid of these annoying e-mails, thank you.

Francine Estabrooks, Ontario, Canada (Sent Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:17 AM)

Great report Chris!  I am a busines teacher and look forward to more reports on i.d. thefts.  I usually touch on this topic but this year I plan to cover i.d. theft more in depth.  I would also like to know if you have teaching videos available for teachers to use in their classrooms?  I feel the sooner we can educate students, the better chances they will have of protecting themselves.  Keep up the investigations.

Lisa Imbriaco, White Haven, PA (Sent Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:25 PM)

Why don't the online retailers block any purchases made from IP addresses in the suspect countries?  Granted they may miss some sales but I can't believe the lost sales would be as significant as the invalid sales.

Jerr

Jerry Groth, Menasha, WI (Sent Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:50 PM)

Ask any merchant. Your show needs to keep following the fraud all the way back to the credit card companies and their lack of security. Scammers can get credit limits raised and addresses changed in the blink of an eye. Then the merchant is left holding the bill. Literally. We lose the merchandise and then VISA and Mastercard hit you with a back charge. Even when they told you the customer account information was good.

Joyce Frederick (Sent Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM)

Dear Mr. Chris,
    I enjoy watching Dateline and the series that you put together.  I feel you are doing a wonderful thing in educating the people, protecting our children and above all, EXPOSING criminals.  Even in their vast numbers, at least for a few seconds they think twice about meeting with underage children for illict actions.
    Thank you very much for the work you are putting in.  I loved your new series as well, identity theft.  I wish you the best in your efforts to make the world a better, safer place for our children.

    Sincerely,
     
    A Thankful Citizen

dsfa (Sent Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM)

Chris,

Thank you for airing this report. If there was any interest in really stopping this type of scam a law enforcement officer would visit the address that received the stolen goods. Then the recipients could not plead that they had no idea that they were receiving goods that were purchased with stolen credit cards. As it is now the credit card companies are not very motivated to put a halt to this. They just chargeback the merchant for the whole amount of the sale Plus a chargeback fee.

David Rothschild, Safety Harbor FL (Sent Monday, August 06, 2007 7:11 AM)

Excellent, and validating, broadcast Chris!  I rent office space to small businesses on a short term basis.  When "Mr. Alan Smith" became a tenant we immediately started to receive boxes of vitamins and electronics.  We were advised to reship them out almost immediately.  He would send the shipping labels and out the door they would go.  I became suspicious immediately and ultimately contacted the FBI.  I do not know what became of that case, but I ended up contacting all the vendors and returning their goods to them directly.  I received another inquiry today for the same type of "arrangement".  Glad I know better this time!

Lisa A., Milford, CT (Sent Monday, August 06, 2007 9:42 AM)

I keep getting these e-mails of job offers to move merchandise and accept paymwnets and i have never applied for them, i have even received e-mails asking me to help them get their millions and they will pay me anywhere from 25,000-1,000,0000 but i have to use my money upfront . where do these individuals/scam artist get my contact information and can i stop them from contacting me?

Thelma Towner Mt. Morris, Mi. (Sent Monday, August 06, 2007 5:57 PM)

Chris, Just wanted 2 give u the web address this phony e-mail came from.  Cripes!  These "people" are relentless!!

Christine, Boston, MA (Sent Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:18 AM)

Craigslist Scams!!! Now they are going after people on Craigslist. I recently posted some furniture but I did not have a picture. A person emailed saying they were to busy to come and look at it but they trust me and will send me a money order and have a shipping company come and pick it up. Dateline should go after Craigslist next. I feel like this is my community the schemers are going after. I have met a bunch of really nice people now I am not sure if I will use it again. Thanks Kelly

Kelly Davidson, Hermitage, TN. (Sent Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:23 PM)

Dear Chris,

I just met someone online at match.com who I believe is a scam artist; he gave me a phone number with a country code that matches Nigeria. Since a friend of mine was recently victimized by one of these people, I would really like to help you catch this person. Please respond to me by email if you would like to pursue this.

Laurie McAfee, Jacksonville, FL (Sent Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:48 AM)

I own an e-commerce web site that sells mostly electronics and higher end electronic products. On August 7, 2007, I received an e-mail stating a purchase made from me back in July is being reversed due to a fradulant credit card charge.The item has been shipped.I contacted the local authorities and gave the address of where it was shipped to. They paid a visit to the resisdence.They contacted me they beleive they found my item and much more from this type of fraud.They informed me the resisdence were  unaware to this scam. Needless to say after watching this report, I may have unfortunately sold other scam artists products that I don't even know about yet because the credit cards have been approved. I may be out a large sum of money due to credit card payment reversals. I would also like to know why the banks keep authorizing and approving these charges. Everybody looses except the theives!

Rick Chicago, Il. (Sent Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:52 PM)

Cris,
A year ago,I had two charges against my credit card amounting to a little less than $1,000 even though my limit was much higher. The charges were for Verizon telephone minutes through Ireland. These charges were for odd amounts. I found that the purchased "time" could be used as credit to purchase items on the internet & be shipped to the thief without any tracing.
By questioning an employee at the Irish Verizon outlet, I was able to determine the "time" was purchased by someone in Ypsilanti, Michigan.
Later, when I tried to get more information, the employee's supervisor denied any information I had been given & turned me over to their "investigator". Their "investigator" told me the charges were legitimate & had to be from my household or family because of the information they get to confirm the credit card really belonged to the user. During a heated discussion with him, he admitted he was in Pakistan but worked for the Irish company as their investigator.
My credit card company credited my account & I've heard no more about the theft.

Frank , Suttons Bay, MI (Sent Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:49 AM)

if anything you receive as e-mail seems too good to be true then 100% of the time it isn't and you should delete those e-mails immediately especially any thing sent from a foreign country.

Craig Gotowski,Lansdale,PA (Sent Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:22 AM)

I just sent a message but forgot to say how great a job you are doing on investigating all of this...Thankyou and keep up the great work!

S.L.Mcgowan California (Sent Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:21 PM)

Help!!  My college educated daughter seriously considered going to India with the promise of a "job" in the entertainment industry in Bollywood.  There were tremendous red flags  - especially - come on a tourist visa and we will get the working papers for you when you arrive. These preditors are recruiting in the US - Please Chris take a look at some of these sights

Dr. Kathleen White (Sent Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:04 PM)

dear mr. hanson
I've watched all your shows and i love them.i've also recieved those scamming e-mails, i dont know whether to answer them and tell them that i already know it's a scam and that im very aware of it. please help me, everytime i turn on my computer i get those scamming emails they are driving me crazy.

maribel,miami,fl (Sent Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:30 PM)

Dear Mr Hanson,
  I must tell you that the  story that you did on internet scams was the Best that I have ever seen.
I think that more people should be doing this... I get at least 5 a day or more of people trying to do this to me daily. My problems is this; I know that they are scams but what about our elderlyor our young folks???? How dare them do this, and I even sent this back to them how dare you do this or try to do this to me, or the elderly period !  The Job that you are doing is wonderful, why can't more do this?????
I called our local police station, and I even know the Detective, a friend and we had a long talk, I was told their is nothing that can be done Why???? Well takes to much time and its a endless road becasue they can't trace theise things.......I really felt hopeless to this situation. This scares me, I'm not they only one and I know this  I have even got checks I Have 2 here One for 27,000.00 and another for over 4000.00, but I do know better than to cash them, even though Im a poor person and I'de love to have that much money, I even called the bank that one of them was wrote on and supposidly it was good but I didn't beleive it. Nothing that sounds this good, can be.....
so that is my story and concerns....

Melissa A England Mt.Vernon Ohio (Sent Monday, August 13, 2007 3:43 PM)

Enjoyed your efforts.  Are there any website one can go to to learn about the latest scams via email, i.e., believe a new one is croping up where someone from outside the US says:  They need to have an agent cash cashier checks for them and you keep %10 of transaction.  Reason is, supposedly, their country charges high biz taxes but individual taxes are so much less, thus the big savings using you as their agent.  Have you folks heard about this one?

Craig Huebler, Santa Rosa, CA (Sent Monday, August 13, 2007 4:00 PM)

Dear Chris,
     I am writing you to tell you of a scam that my 89 year old mother was taken in by parties in Jamaica and Florida. In 8 months, she states she has sent about 20,000. She was scammed using Oprah Winfrey's name for a free car, and winning millions of dollars.I would like to know if you could possibly help us with this. Please reply.

Donna Gaznick-Hopler (Sent Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:54 PM)

Chris, thanks to your report on the online internet scams, I was able to warn my 70 year old mother against cashing some 10 money orders, totalling over 8 thousand dollars. she went to the post office, where they confirmed our fears: the money orders were counterfit. Mom is at the FBI office as we speak, unfortunately, she had already cashed some of the money orders behind my back, and now owes her bank 3000 dollars.Please consumers, stop believing someone will pay you to cash money orders, no one gets money for nothing, and now my mother is in debt.

Kathleen Lydecker (Sent Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:42 PM)

I am being scammed again. Their e-mail is delard@uymail.com  If you go there you will see the instructions they gave me. I put an ad in the newspaper to sell my puppies. They called by "RELAY" to give me their e-mail. Thanks

Kathryn Kotronakis Bricelyn, MN. (Sent Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:59 PM)

Cris you are a very brave person. You have put your life in danger so many times to help people,it is amazing. I hope they all relize not every person could or would do what you have done to help them.I watched many of your shows. I had my credit card stolen also my people on the enternet. But the one that really touched me was the one where the uncle went to rescue his niece that was being held hostage over seas. You not only helped her but all them small children also. I will say a prayer for you when I pray for your safety.thank you for all you do. Bunny M, ripley tenn

Bunny Mitchell ripley tennessee (Sent Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:02 PM)

Chris,
Well they're still at it! I've recently received 2 emails from "Rev. James Johnson aka Mr. Richard Lenox aka Barrister Arthur Johnson" promising $16,800, 000.00 million...Needless to say those emails were deleted immediately thanks to your investigation. Keep up the great work!

Janice, SC (Sent Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:52 PM)

Have people be aware of scams through the mail. Claiming they won a large sum of money. The letterhead from the fake company looks legit, but beware. If you receive a check from the source and asked to cash it and wire the money, in order to receive the larger sum check,don't. I think a report of this type of scam should be done.

Vicki Moore, Olney Maryland (Sent Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:36 AM)

I have an email which is fraud about the cashiers check to buy my boat.  Will be happy to forward it to you.  Should I lead him on, or stay out of it & let you guys or someone who cares about these crooks.  Even an email address to forward it to someboy who does care.  It's for $50,000 & then they want me to send them $10K back.

kelly taylor St. Louis, MO (Sent Monday, August 20, 2007 10:48 AM)

Chris, I watched your program on TV about the scammers from Africa, very brave of you. My problem is that what about the hackers who break into a web site and take it over and use my ID to send e-mails from my address book soliciting money to be sent to me because I supposably have been robbed in the UnitedKingdom and need money desperately before I get kicked out of my hotel with no way home to the US? Do you do any investagations on these IG thefts?

Tony Puglisi (Sent Monday, August 20, 2007 2:47 PM)

My yahoo site was Hacked and asking for money to be sent to a western union office in England. What does someone do about this?

Tony Puglisi (Sent Monday, August 20, 2007 2:49 PM)

hi
this is assane from west africa ( senegal).
i spent 3 weeks in BOSTON  to visitmy daughter who's studying in there,but let me tell you the best moments i had spent there was the time i watched inside dateline .it's wonderful job , you 're doing .
i hope you keep doing suc things in more topics and more places around the world.
i really want to meet you next time i visit BOSTON.

ASSANE MBENGUE, DAKAR, SENEGAL (Sent Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:26 AM)

I truly appreciate the diligence and hardwork that Dateline took to track these people who prey on hardworking, law obeying citizens.  We are at the mercy of these people who try to scam us via mail, phone and internet.  We don't have any protection it seems.  Thank You.  Thank You!  Hopefully there will be some online authorities that we can report these guys to as well.

Mona - Texas (Sent Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:43 PM)

hello i am a wife,and mom of three I also have recieved an e-mail from someone (will you look over it if i send it to the staff at msnbc?)-only the ppl are not from Nigeria or Afria.  Its a totally diff. Country.I just want to know if this is legit.-please help out.

Clara Carmicheal (Sent Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:13 AM)

I am currently trying to be scammed by a network in the uk. they state that my email was selected for a cash winning of 5,000,000 pounds.they just ask for personal information like my name,race,age,and nationality. then they ask for me to pay the shipping of the check and that was the red flag for me. please email me for there details because i would like to see chris hansen bust these guys!!

daryl mijares perris,calif (Sent Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:59 AM)

Dear Mr. Hansen:
I am the victim of identity theft.  I pressured the Albuquerque Police Dept. to step up their investigation.  They did.  They have identified her (a former landlady of mine!) and plan to arrest her this week.
I would love to have Dateline fly you and me out there with your cameras for the arrest this Friday, perhaps? (I have sent you a detailed email at: dateline@nbcuni.com)
Donna Ross (Tel.) (214) 202-3219.

Donna C. Ross, Frisco, Texas (Sent Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:18 PM)

As I have no other means inwhich to reach Chris Hansen, I am writing this message with the hope it will reach Chris. I received an e-mail today from China from a man asking me to let him put 4.8 million dollars into my bank account and in return he would give me a portion of it. As I am a fan of your show and watch often, I thought you might be interested in this e-mail I received. He might be another story for you. Please feel free to e-mail me and I will forward you the e-mail I received.

Lynda

Lynda Knott, Chicago, Ill. (Sent Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:26 PM)

My husband and I love your "To Catch a Predator" series... We think it's great that some one is exposing and having these people sent to jail... It's about time... We would love to own the seires on DVD... Do you know if we will be able to purchase it?

Consuelo James, Las Vegas, NV (Sent Friday, August 24, 2007 6:18 PM)

Well, Who ever they are, they did send me 500 bogus money orders with denominations of $750 and $850.
I reported this to the IC3 internet complain web site.

Don Barger Cols., Ohio (Sent Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:06 PM)

Chris,
Recieved a call from a company claiming to represent a major retailer attempting to collect on a non existent debt. They attempted to "verify" card information before my wife hung up.  I called back twice and both times they called themselves different companies, and refused to provide a physical address. I traced the number back to a residence and not a company in Clearwater, FL, using a telephone number that was ported from St Petersburg, FL.

Larry G (Sent Monday, August 27, 2007 7:27 PM)

About 4mos. ago I received a 'relay' call at my pool store asking about a pool heater. He emailed his payment & billing address info immediately. After being told that his heater was here, he emails saying his wife is having a baby and could I ship it to his company in South Africa. We reported it to the credit card company and that was the end of it. We thought. Today, I get another call from the relay company, and this man gives a different name, but is wanting a pool heater. When I tell him $2,450, he says he would like two of them. He emailed his payment info to me immediately after. Seems that someone could use this info for the investigation. When I call the card company to report it, they just tell me yes it's fraud and don't even ask for any of the info I was given. I have these emails saved and would be happy to forward them to someone who cares or is trying to solve this problem.
P.S. LOVE THE SHOW CHRIS!!!

April Swafford, Gas City, IN (Sent Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:19 AM)

His Chris,
Thanks so much for your utmost attention concerning these crooks.
My husbands business account was dipped into for a few weeks before we caught up with it. Thanks to an online Co., they put a hault to what could have been 1,554.00 extra from the account. Besides contacting the bank and filing a report with the State Police I am doing research on my own. I've come up with land line #'s Adressess and Email addresses ect..I'm not sure how far I can take this on my own as not to step on the toes of the Police, Bank and the online Co's that are doing their investigations.
It would be greatfully appreciated if Date Line could help us catch these crooks from MD, all the way to Azerbaijan.

Jeffrey Shoemaker (Sent Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:39 AM)

 Yes a scammer using the screen name miss Whiteney
and misssweetlovegivers saying she's in love with me wants new life with me only after about two e-mails.Then she wanted me to call a insurance compant in africa to releace her baggage with 8.5 million dollars and all they need is my address and to find out how much it will cost . She also sent me fake pictures of someone else,then said she would send me her real pics but first get her baggage shipped here .

mike mills (Sent Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:27 AM)

I have fallen victim to Identity Thief by someone using my name and ssn to buy a house and it went foreclosed,,owner of house never knew about it and it said at closing him and his wife was present and signed the deed meanwhile his wife died 30 years ago. My credit score over 100 points and laying out thousands of dollars to hire a lawyer and now just got hit with a second indentity theft scam, again using my name and ssn to get $114,000 from moneygram. I need help!!!!!

Anthony J Ventrice, Staten island, NY (Sent Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:05 AM)

HEY I'M ACTUALLY GETTING SCAM LETTERS FIGHT NOW.. 2 INTHE PAST WEEK WITH ALL THE INFO TO SEND A "DR" MONEY IN NIGERIA SO HE CAN SEND ME 3 MILLION DOLLARS.. THEY SEEM REALLY PRESISTANT.. HAD TO TELL SOMEONE.. DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO

CEDAR (Sent Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:02 PM)

Dear Chris - I wish you would do something to get the police/FBI/Postal Service/etc. to pay more attention to catching these people.  a few years ago I received an invoice in the mail for steaks I never ordered.  The invoice said they were being shipped to an address near me.  I called VISA and they confirmed that the steaks had been charged to my card, along with about $1500 of other merchandise.  VISa sent me a new card and I suffered no ill effects.  Since the address the steaks were mailed to was near me, I went there and checked the name on the door.  The name of the "perp" was not there.  I then asked my mailman if he delivered to that address.  He said he used to, and that he knew the name of the bldg manager.  I spoke with her.  She told me that no one by the name on the delivery address lived there but his mother did, and she received lots of packages for him.  I told the bldg manager what was going on, and she said she would not accept the packages any longer.  She would not give me the mother's name, however.
 I then tried to interest the police since I had solved half the puzzle.  Since I had suffered no loss from VISA, the police were not interested in catching the thief.  I told all this to VISA but they apparently never followed up either (too little in my case?).  I tried the Postal Service and the FBI but neither of them seemed interested because the amount in question was too small.  Of course, that was only the amount charged to me.  What about the amount charged to others?  It was very frustrating since it had seemed fairly easy to catch the son who was thief.

Holly Reiter (Sent Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:50 PM)

I've received MANY of these types of emails.  Ones that want me to me the "Financial Transaction Manager", all I have to do is take payments from people in the U.S. and transfer them to their "company's account" in another contry.  I always respond with a YEAH RIGHT as I hit the delete button.

John K, Virginia Beach, VA (Sent Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:06 PM)

I just watched the show and was amazed. About a year ago I was in a chat room and someone wrote me. I'm pretty good about being protective of my identity. This girl with an awesome pic wrote me in broken english. I was suspicious so I started to use her for info. Over time i learned her family all died in a car accident in a town near my house. I researched it, no accident lilke that. I researched her name...none listed. I kept talking to her. She was an Engineering student in Nigeria. She sent me loving emails about how we were meant to be, etc. I figured the next move was for her to ask for money. Sure enough she needed tuition fees to pay the school before she could graduate and come "be with me forever". LOL. I told her what I exactly thought 'she' was and what she was doing. I never heard from her again. Though I still have her IM name on my messenger and occassionally I see her pop online.
I'm pretty hard to fool and I'm glad I didn't fall for it.
Thanks for all the hard investigative work you folks do!

kg

Glenn, Tacoma, WA (Sent Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:08 PM)

Is very amazing job, congratulations.
Three year ago some person from Nigeria, Try to Buy My car here in USA, Miami, I avoided this because I work in Network security and i did trace the e-mails and other stuffs, BUT I have the Fake cheking from a US bank, and also whashingtone mutual was involved, and all the details if you want more details, for some of your programs just let me Know.
Again, Great Job Chris still doing this in good in a better World.

Joao Nunes, Miami, Fl (Sent Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:21 PM)

Thank you so very much for this report. I know I am not alone. I, too, had been the 'middle man', but was smart enough to start asking questions about what was in all those packages sent to my home and why I was supposed to pay the postage for such to go to Ghana, West Africa. I went to my local police dept. and was told that unless I could prove that the merchandise was purchased with a stolen credit card, there was nothing they could do. I sent back all the merchandise, some I had to pay for, and kept copies of all the emails sent back and forth for the future. I am still refusing junk mail from the companies that sent items to my home. My information was not used, just my address.

Gail Nash, Redding, California (Sent Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:21 PM)

chris,
thank you very much for this piece, it will go along way in saving innocent [but most times also greedy people] i am also a nigerian and this is the greatest pain that every decent and honest nigeria will live with. however keep the good work and we too will do something on our part as a nation but this development is really a nightmare for our image.next time i came to u.s i will surely contact you and say hi over this good job.

kabir ismaila, barking essex, london (Sent Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:31 PM)

I just wanted to say that before this program even came out I was also a victim from these people except my was little different. I received the package just like in your program and they asked me to sell it on ebay. Which I didn't do but at the same time they asked me to send some money using western union. (somewhere in nigeria) I must of send about 500 bucks but later on I found it fishy how much money was spend on those item so I terminated the communication (I had a feeling it must of been a stolen credit card). I'm not saying its right but I sold all those item that it was delieved to my house. And got alot more then 500 bucks.  It could of ended up worst for me.

Richard C Irvine Ca. (Sent Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:02 PM)

I just wanted to say that before this program even came out I was also a victim from these people except my was little different. I received the package just like in your program and they asked me to sell it on ebay. Which I didn't do but at the same time they asked me to send some money using western union. (somewhere in nigeria) I must of send about 500 bucks but later on I found it fishy how much money was spend on those item so I terminated the communication (I had a feeling it must of been a stolen credit card). I'm not saying its right but I sold all those item that it was delieved to my house. And got alot more then 500 bucks.  It could of ended up worst for me.

Richard C Irvine Ca. (Sent Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:04 PM)



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