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In NYC, a tragic crossing of paths

Posted: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:00 PM by Dateline Editor
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by Lee Kamlet, Dateline producer

As a child growing up in Colorado, I could only imagine what it would be like to live in New York. The Empire State Building, Central Park, the Statue of Liberty were all magical places I could only dream about. The hustle and bustle of the city, hailing a cab or riding the subway, seemed like a foreign existence. I never thought it would become part of my everyday life.   But like many people, I was drawn to the city, to its energy and its possibilities. And so it was with another transplant to the city:  Kendra Webdale.

In 1997, Kendra left her hometown in upstate to move to New York City. She worked at a recording studio, and loved to spend time sitting outside, just watching people.  Her warmth comes through in the many pictures and home videos her family shared with us.


Kendra Webdale

Her family said Kendra would never turn away from a stranger. That proved to be true, in the most tragic of ways. On a damp, dreary day in January 1999, Kendra crossed paths with another New Yorker, a stranger named Andrew Goldstein. Kendra had made a last-minute decision to defy the rain, and take the subway to meet some friends. Andrew was going to take the same train home. Witnesses say Andrew stepped up to Kendra and asked the time.  Then, just as the train pulled into the station, he stood behind Kendra, and with what one person called impeccable timing, shoved Kendra in front of the train. She died on the tracks.

The horrific story stunned not only New Yorkers, but the entire nation. What could have prompted someone to push a total stranger in front of the fast-moving train?

To find the answer, Dateline spent 10 months investigating the story.  We learned that Andrew Goldstein had quite a history.  Once a student at one of New York's premier high schools, he developed schizophrenia, an incurable brain disease that can cause hallucinations, paranoia, and, in rare untreated cases, bizarre, and even violent behavior. 

We obtained access to Goldstein's confidential 3,500 page medical record, which is replete with evidence that he had a long history of violence, particularly against women.  It also revealed that the mental health system either could not, or would not give him the help he needed.  His journey through poorly coordinated services and revolving door care would, in the end, lead to that subway platform, and Kendra Webdale.

But this is not only a story about Kendra Webdale and Andrew Goldstein.  It is also about Kendra's remarkable family, particularly her parents,  Pat and Ralph Webdale.  Look up "salt of the earth" in the dictionary.  In my book it says, "See Webdale."  You need only talk to them for a short time to appreciate how much they loved their daughter, and understand why they grieve for her every day. Yet despite some very low points, and moments of extreme pain and doubt, they did not succumb to their misery, but rather followed a path which is quite surprising.

Over the years, the Webdales have not only developed compassion for mentally ill people and their families, but they have worked hard to educate the rest of us about mental illness.

This is not tilting at windmills stuff.  Their efforts have lead directly to changes in the mental health system, not only in New York, but across the nation.  Due in part to the Webdales' work, New York state says it has taken steps to streamline, coordinate, and better monitor mental health services for people with serious mental illness.  It has also made more community services available, giving the highest priority to treating the people who are most in need. And 41 states have passed "Kendra's Law," which would, under certain circumstances, force someone like Goldstein to take medication, compel the state to monitor him, and briefly hospitalize him if he refuses to comply.

Pat Webdale is surely right when she says, "It's not an ego trip to have a law named after your child."  But Kendra's Law stands as the legacy of a young woman's family, and their determination to not let her death be in vain.

Dateline's report on "Deadly Encounter," the life-shattering crime and the seven-year search for justice, airs Jan. 20 Saturday, 8 p.m. on NBC.

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A terrible crime comitted by a mentally unstable human being, which ultimately leads to a new law and an increase in tax payers pockets, because the sick person needs our help? My heart goes out to the family. I would not help any criminal, I would send them all to death row. The fact that this happens in a large city is not the surprise,  the fact that more security is needed in subways after dark is no surprise either.I hope people find ways to get smart in this century. Perhaps with less denial and more assertive inteliigence, the country and it's cities  will do what is right for themselves, even if it means getting tougher. With the population growing, ego's inflating, self-involvedment & selfishness overwhelming,there are people who are basically worthless, so it's time for those who are able to make positive changes for the country do so, step up, and make it happen. Is this you?
As a mental health professional in NH, a state that has had it's version of Kendra's law much longer than NY, I will watch with much interest.  I hope the program will shed some light on how funding, or lack thereof, can render these laws ineffective.  Many will nod in agreement with how important these laws are and the services they "compel", but no one wants to pay for them.  The majority of individuals who fit this profile are disabled and rely on Medicaid.  I'm glad the story is being told.  I hope it is complete.
I was in NY when this took place. I remember seeing it on the news. It has stayed with me a long time. I know i've even discussed it with others. I'm not very sure how I feel about the subject of mental health. I don't think it's an excuse for murder. People who cannot be trusted with other's safety or their own, should not be left alone. Unless, of course, they are safely behind locked doors.
Any laws to improve services has to be better then what we currently have. Ultimately the government has to decide are we all worth the same? To keep our streets and us safe it has to either be; "take your medication or live your life locked up where you can't harm another human being no matter what the cost is"!!!
Why are people who have proven to be violent (mentally ill or not) allowed to repeatedly prey on the rest of the population?  How about a one strike you're out law for violence.
I applaud the family for such a courages fight. But very few of these laws passed actually help any future victims. I see more grandstanding among politicians at when these bills are signed into law. Although laws such as Megan's law and the Kendra Law may save someone, It's like putting a piece of gum to plug the Titanics leak. Unless our judges, hospitals and everybody else in authority puts their foot down on all crime, we will not see things getting better. Only worse. Stop the political grandstanding and do your jobs is all I have to say to all in authority
Heart disease, cancer, multiple sclerosis, and more...all of these diseases rightfully receive a lot of funding for research and care, perhaps because all of us are vulnerable to them.  Mental illness is just as much an illness as any of them, and touch as many lives as any kind of disease, perhaps more.  We all pay a price for mental illness going untreated and undertreated.  Why is this being ignored?  Especially we need to provide funding for medical treatment and proper housing for schizophrenic people, whose suffering is manifest -- just go walk downtown in any major city.  We also need to reform laws to help agencies provide continuity of care.
Mr. Goldstein sought treatment and was rejected from several treatment facilities prior to his act. He was tried by jury x3 and found not to be legally insane.

Instead, I believe that his illness was criminalized.
 
The jury never looked at any of the stack of hospital records in his name.

Many years ago, I wrote a letter to Mr. Goldstein around holiday time. He was already in prison.

I did not want Mr. Goldstein to feel that the community had forgotten about him. I feel even stronger about this today.

Just as we remember Kendra Webdale and her horrific death, we need to mourn a system that criminalizes those on the margins of society...those with severe, untreated mental illness.    

This programming will probably honor Kendra and other victims of crimes committed by those with a mental illness.

There deserves to be a balanced presentation. I think it imperative that we each tune in with an attuned sensitivity to ALL of the victims on BOTH sides of each case.

Andrew Goldstein remains sentenced for life, not in a psychiatric facility -- not as a person with a mental illness but as a criminal in an isolation unit in an upstate prison.

With due respect to the Webdale family, I see Mr. Goldstein very clearly as a victim himself.  

Goldstein was crazy alright!  Crazy like a fox.  He had the wherewithal to plan the attack, someone was going to be pushed.  He should be made to feel what Kendra must have felt, sheer terror, in the moments as she tumbled before the train.  Nothing the mental health society or criminal justice system could ever come close.
NC has cut back on mental health. We are putting people on the street with serious problems. The state says they can not afford to treat people. They will treat and support them after they haved hurt someone. I am sure we are not the only state doing this. To stop the hurt and cost it seems to me better to treat now then later.
seems to me that if President Reagan had left the mental hospitals alone , instead of dumping the insane on the streets of the USA,we wouldn't be having this particular conversation. The insane belong in a hospital, not a penitentiary! Nyone who is sane knows this to be true.
God bless anyone who helps the mentally ill, especially the Webdales.  What compassion and insight it must have taken to see the true problem here.  
if we would quit building prisons to put "pot offenders" in and start building hospitals and rehabs, we'd all be a lot better off.....
It's time that we finally try and do something to help our mentally ill.  They have been ignored (ignore them and they might just go away) long enough.  Mental illness is a HUGE problem in this country.  The sad fact is that in reality, a mentally ill person in many cases is unemployed, and often homeless.  I challenge anyone to try and find assistance for a mentally ill loved one with a lack of funds.  As is the case with drug addiction, the cost of assistance is high.  How do we suppose mentally ill are to "get help" if they have no money to do so?  It's a proven fact that some of the medication intended to "help" has literal side effects that make them NOT take their medication.  It's not that they don't "choose" to take it; it is a side EFFECT.
Either way, it's time we actually try and help these people instead of turning our heads.  This problem is only going to get much worse, and their problem is our problem.  As with drug addicts, ignoring the issue does not make it disappear, and sooner or later, it will touch your life...maybe not in a good way.  
Let's stop ignoring and try and help.  Mentally ill do not "choose" to be this way.  It has to be torturous for them.  Why would we ignore our fellow man in trouble?
Today many people are hearing voices in their mind that tell them to do horrible things.  However, our conscience must be our guide.  Children must learn from a young age how to understand that their conscience is their to guide them into what is right.  Children should be taught at a young age to tell their parents when they are having bad thoughts so that their parents can help them understand to never put these bad thoughts into action.  Children should be told that just because they have a bad thought it does not mean they are a bad person.  They must be listened to by parents who will help them direct their thoughts to good things so that when they grow older they will not act out on the thoughts that they have held in from childhood.  (Like this man did when he pushed this poor lady into the path of that train.)  If a child is having trouble in their thought life, as parents, we should never allow them to feed those bad thoughts by allowing them to watch bad movies, or play bad video games!  These things put thoughts into their mind that may have never been there otherwise.  Because some of them, when grown, will act out on the things they have watched from childhood.
It all comes down to money.. support those at the voting polls who support money for mental health treatment. No money no treatment and the cycle continues.. also remember there are many who have been diagnosed with mental illness who do not believe in and are strong advocates against forced medicating! Where do you stand on that issue? Decide and tell your legislators and those in power who ultimately fund these projects. There is no accountability, as to why these types of issues continue to occur.. why? Who should be made accountable? Why aren't they being made accountable by the people of this country?
i am mentally ill, not violently except to myself. recieving help was a monumentally difficult process that i was not capable of doing,fortunatly my husband was able to be my advocate while i locked myself in my room and hid; it took over two years. for someone such as mr goldstein negotating the system without an advocate would be close to impossible. my heart goes out to kendra's family, i have children too, but perhaps mr goldstein is also a victim
 Goldstein murdered a very fine young woman in cold blood. I wonder what she would have given back to our society if she would have lived? If a person is so sick they have to murder other people than they need to be removed from society to protect ALL other people. The risk is so great, they should never be released. Would you want someone like this who was  pronounced as cured to date your daughter? Please close your eyes and try to imagine the horror this young lady must have felt as she was dying under that train. May she rest in peace.
Annie I admire your courage to comment and I agree with you that Mr Goldstein is also a victim.   While I feel sorry for what happened to Kendra,  I think God intended for good to come out of this and for his name to be glorified  -  that is why the love in the hearts of Kendra's parents is so profound and is being spread to the other "goldsteins" out there who really cannot help themselves.
I applaud the writer who commented on Reagan. I worked in mental health in the 80's and 90's in both New York and NC (and I know NC is releasing lots of mentally ill onto the streets as another writer also pointed out) and I saw the effects of Reagan's policies. It got so sad for me that I had to get out of it altogether. I place guilt firmly on the mental health system in New York and think the people who sit up in offices deciding society would be ok if these violent people were on the streets so they could have a beefier salary ought to be tried for Kendra's murder
Here, in Canada, the concept of Kendra's Law is in fact in place. many people with a mental illness are required by law to take prescribed medications. That all sounds great. However after a certain hospitalization period where these mentally disabled people get on their medication and are stabilized they are nearly always released into the world to get along by themselves. The majority of the mentally disabled people can and do survive quite well in society rpoviding their medication is taken. I have witnessed quite a few occassions where the disabled individual does not have the ability to survive alone and thus regressess firstly by stopping the intake of their medication. In other words, probably more than 50% of the people on the streets of our great country have some form of a mental illness that is not being treated properly. But how can the Medical field constantly enforce the intake of medications. Shall we arrest the mentally ill and lock them up with the average murderer or thief in our corrections facilities. (which is often the case). Perhaps we need to build bigger long term hospital where the mentally disabled can be housed after three or four repetitative returns for the "crime" of not taking their meds. The question of what happened to Kendra is a sad and unfortunate event. I do not mean to sound cold, but people are killed every day by other's behaviours. A lot of them are not disabled. Should we put them on medications as well???
While I do think Kendra's Law is probably a good thing because it tries to make mentally ill persons responsible for taking their medication as instructed, it will be an impossilbe task and probably short lived in some areas. There will always be those who slip through the cracks, just like this one. I can think of several young people right now who need to be on legal medication and closely monitored. They live in Maryland. One young mother, who is drug-addicted to illegal drugs, has already had 3 children. Are these 3 potentially mentally ill people who will have to be monitored? If they are, I hope Kendra's Law will start at the beginning of a mentally ill person's life...but how will we know who they are? When will we know who they are?

If Kendra had been my daughter, I would still be screaming mad at him, at his family, at his medical physician, and at anyone else who knew who and where he was and did not take responsibility for taking care of Goldstein. Wasn't his record just too long for him to be walking the streets free even without Kendra's Law? I think so.
While I do think Kendra's Law is probably a good thing because it tries to make mentally ill persons responsible for taking their medication as instructed, it will be an impossilbe task and probably short lived in some areas. There will always be those who slip through the cracks, just like this one. I can think of several young people right now who need to be on legal medication and closely monitored. They live in Maryland. One young mother, who is drug-addicted to illegal drugs, has already had 3 children. Are these 3 potentially mentally ill people who will have to be monitored? If they are, I hope Kendra's Law will start at the beginning of a mentally ill person's life...but how will we know who they are? When will we know who they are?

If Kendra had been my daughter, I would still be screaming mad at him, at his family, at his medical physician, and at anyone else who knew who and where he was and did not take responsibility for taking care of Goldstein. Wasn't his record just too long for him to be walking the streets free even without Kendra's Law? I think so.
Two lives were lost that day, although it could be argued that Mr. Goldstein's had been gone long before this tragedy occurred. Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley Jr., Naveed Haq. . .the list goes on and on, and includes friends, family members, as well as my own mother. When she needed a firm, loving environment in which to be made to take her meds, there was no safety net there to make that happen.  She died an early death due to her mental illness, died on the streets, betrayed by laws that "protected" her rights to slowly and surely kill herself, year after year, in the cold and uncaring streets of this great nation, America. We will continue to hear of these types of violent acts as long as we continue to ignore the monster under the bed that is mental illness.
Do most of you not understand, that there are different types of mental illness.  Mr Goldstein has a very complicated form of mental illess.  In my opinion he should be medicated forceably.  I myself have a milder form of mental illness.  Like Annie, if not for the patience and understanding of my husband, I would not have gone on to get help.  It also turns out that mental illness runs in families.  My grandmother, uncle and cousin all have it as well.  All of us also have different kinds of mental illness.  Some people, like myself, realise there problems and work with a therapist and pyschiatrist.  I have been on medication for the last six years and other then a medication change have been a normal functioning member of society.  The people who usally have problems are the severe bipolars and people with schizophrenia.  Both types of people go through phases where they think they no longer need there meds.  Usually, if a mentally ill person takes there meds there are no problems.  Unemployed or uninsured people can't afford there meds.  The meds are very expensive.  But drug companys can and will help people with mental illness through clinical studies.  They can and will pay for these very expensive drugs.
God bless the Webdales for all there understanding.
When it comes to crime (or anything else) those who say the mentally ill should be held accountable to the same degree as the sane, obviously know nothing about mental illness.
I have worked with the mentally disabled for many years, and the one thing that I learned is they are people to. No matter how anyone sees them. I have seen them get violent and abusive to being sweet and gentle, but no matter you have to treat them normal.

Here we have the Kendra Law which I believe is helping alot of my clients. If they don't take their medication then it can be harmful to themself as well as others. It's hard dealing with someone like that, but everyone needs to understand that some are born with the dissability or something tragic happened, but no matter they are still people.

If it weren't for Kendra's Law then I believe that these kinds of things would happen more often then anyone realizes.

My heart and prayers go out to Kendra's family and other families that may have fallen victim to tragedies such as this. Also to the families that have a child or someone in their family with mental illness.
A 15-year-old boy was stabbed to death Friday in a hallway at his high school in an affluent Boston suburb, and a classmate was charged with murder after blurting out, "I did it, I did it," authorities said."The defendant has a history of fairly serious psychological diagnoses and has also suffered from hyperactivity dysfunction for many years," Shapiro said. "What is clear is (he) has a serious disability."  If were not going to hold the people that commit these acts because of a disability responsible then maybe the doctors that let them out into the streets should be.I think that would change a doctors view on who is stable and who is not!!!!!!!!!

   
I am tired of the excuses and enablers. This guy is a criminal and should get the death penalty. Liberals are to blame for these people walking the streets. Lock them up!
Thank you to Babara from Brooklyn, NY.  I could not have expressed my feelings more eloquently.  People who are mentally ill did not ask for this illness.  It is shameful that in this very wealthy and sophisticated country, mental illness still carries a stigma and that these individuals still can not receive adequate treatment for suffering.  We all pay the price for this.
This man was schizophrenic.  He cannot be held responsible for his actions.  How about assigning blame to the professionals who should have done more to treat him in order to prevent such a horrible crime.  What good does throwing him in jail do or wishing for the death penalty.  People have no understanding of mental illness and are quick to say 'let's lock 'em up and throw away the key'.  That's the sign of an ignorant mind devoid of compassion.
Blame it on the health care system , their responsible for treating this person and he should have never never never been alone , he should have been in a insitution
My heart goes out to the parents of Kendra, who will spend the balance of their lives missing her.
I also feel very compassionate to Andrew Goldstein who is the victim of severe mental illness. Putting Andrew behind bars is w/o question the wrong thing to do.  I was impressed with Katharine Keenens comments.
In my opinion the larger issue is one that regrettably, can't possibly ever be solved. That would be the wasting of our tax dollars, not on projects that help people that really need it, but on national defense, misguided international relations, and a corrupt political system. The American government could virtually help anyone, and everyone in this country that needed help(for whatever reason,)if their energies were not so misdirected. Protecting the big corporations and the lobbyist machine, that they derive the bulk their campaign contributions from seem to be more important than actually helping their constituents. No long winded explanations are necessary, everyone knows how and why this happens.
The sad truth is that there are, more than two victims in this case. Think not only of Kendra and her family, but also consider Andrew and his family. Knowing a member of your family has a mental illness and there is little (if anything) you can do to help them is a hard fact to deal with. Then consider how bad his family must feel knowing their son ended the life of such a bright young woman, while the inept system failed treat Andrew's problems that they knew existed. This brings us to the other major problem, that there is such a negative stigma about mental illness in this country, that it is hard for people to view it as the true medical problem that it really is. Even some health care professionals laugh at their patients behind their backs, because they themselves lack understanding. What I don't understand is (as stated in an earlier entry,)if you have a problem anywhere else in your body, you are give treatment, or medication, but the minute you bring mental illness into the picture, that all changes. Lets just throw any compassion out the window and "lock em all up!" The human brain is the most complex system we have in our body, so why when it malfunctions, are these unfortunate souls demonized instead of being treated? I realize that all to often it is the innocent people like Kendra that end up paying the price , but at what point do you blame the indiviual or the system? More importantly, when does the help and the healing start? Aparently, in this case it never does, as both families have equally been deprived of their loved ones. Even if the proper funding is ever available, just throwing money at the problem is not the answer, simply because of the chance that the funds will probably be misused. Activist's like the Webdales can direct much needed attention toward this crisis, but unfortunately even if any new focus is dedicated to actually solving this problem, I'm afraid the bureaucracy of the system will always get in the way of any real effective change.
My brother has a stepson that is a paranoid schizophrenic, & NY State doesn't seem to want anything to do with him. The family lives in fear & can't find a place to send him. Everyone in the house has to sleep with thier bedroom doors locked. The stepson is only 14 years old, but he is 5' 8" tall & 165 lbs. He has hurt the girls in the house before, but thankfully, not seriously YET ! But that day may come ! Why won't the state do anything about this ??? The boy is potentially dangerous ! My brother has to sleep with a baseball bat next to his bed at night & has already had a stroke at the age of 42. I would like to see the boy put in a treatment center before something happens to him, or someone else ! I really would hate to see someone hurt (or worse) & worry that my brother could end up in jail if he had to try restraining or hurting the 14 yr. old.
I think it is incrediable and that even though a person with a mental Illness had ended thier daughters life for no reason, jumped in and tryed to make a difference for those with Mental Illnesses.. It is ashame that this person did not get the help he needed. The stigma that society has had on those with these illnesses was probly the reason and health providers and the costs of medications, is why some pople with these mental illnesses do not get the help.. But, more importantly, embarresment is why some people do not want to get help and deniel that they are not sick.Thank you NAMI member and Mental Health worker
Dear JD, OH: Ronald Reagan was at least paritally "responsible for these people walking the streets." He was clearly not a liberal. But this is not a political issue. It is an issue of humanity (or lack thereof). Why do some people want/need to politicize everything? How about looking at things from the humanistic perspective? How about having a little compassion for all people? Just try to imagine walking in their shoes for a moment. JD, you and I could just as easily have been born with a predisposition toward mental illness. Last I checked, people don't get to choose their genes, their families, or their childhood environments and/or traumatic events in their lives, all of which may be contributors to the development of mental illness. And another thought... am I the only one who thinks that most, if not all, of the violent criminals in our prisons (and maybe even the nonviolent ones who repeat their maladaptive behaviors over and over again) are mentally ill? Why don't we treat these people with a little decency and respect instead of throwing them into a hate-incubator where their troubles will only fester and grow? Society creats these problems and then tries to point the finger at someone else. It is truly shameful.
I think it is an excellent idea. What I find astounding is that her family did exactly the opposite that other people would have done. Instead of developing a hatred of people with mental illnesses, they helped enlighten people. That is truly worth recognition.
Just a side note...great story..should be told...However, I hope Staples is getting a bill for their free impressions from the to.p of the legal pads
WHERE IS GOLDSTEIN'S FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY COULD HAVE FOUGHT FOR CARE FOR HIM. SIGNED: A PSYCH NURSE
Anyone having to deal with the system will find Goldstein not an exception but the norm. No one who has to live with this disease or someone who has it can understand the difficulty of getting real care and help in this country.
Having worked in the mental health system for 12 years in Michigan, I can tell you that mental health funding suffers hugely in this country, not just in Michigan. The agency I used to work for had narrowed its scope of services to the "chronic moderate to severely mentally impaired" individuals, and then there was always a question as to what that meant, and the case managers always had a fight on their hands with administration just to serve THAT population. The bottom line is that it is, and always will be, about MONEY. When the state mental health institutions were closed in the early 90s to integrate these folks in society, states were in for a world of hurt. Funding was given to mental health agencies to build group homes to house these folks. Now, mental health agencies are getting out of the group home game and are contracting out the managing of these homes. The issue here is one of responsibility. Ultimately each state has the responsibility to care for these individuals. Putting them in prison does not give them the help they need. I don't know if there is ultimately one answer for this problem. What I do know is that money must be set aside for helping out these individuals. Our priorities as a nation are very skewed - especially when, as in the case you have on your program tonight, an individually purposely seeks out help and cannot get it. One final thought: How did your show get access to this guy's mental health records? The HIPAA act proctects this information.
I can't believe the attitude of society towards mentally ill people. This individual sought out help on multiple occasions. The system failed miserably. What type of enlightened society want to send it's ill to jail rather than treatment .To think that Andrew knew what he was doing is pathetic. Retribution this misplaced is sickening. Don't blame the ill person, blame the screwed up health system ,hold them accountable. We hold the folks at Mc Donalds accountable for hot coffee and blame the mentally ill what a juxtaposition!!!
I am a practicing lawyer and have been so for eleven years. I also suffer from Bipolar Disorder. In my opinion the Dateline Program was irresponsible and played on people's emotions. What happened to Kendra Webbdale was horrible, but no more horrible than the myriad of horrendous crimes committed by person who are clearly not mentally ill. Further, there was no statement concerning the truth that the general population is as violent as the mentally ill population statistically.
I've just watched the dateline special on Kendra's case and before I say my full peace I want to point out a very upsetting aspect of this story. I have to say shame on Kendra's family! Why in the world would they sue the Mental Health System for 70 million dollars when it is already so low on funding, this money they were awarded has taken away from a mentally ill persons resources, shame on them. Also, I am shocked at some of the ignorant comments that are posted on this website. It seems some people have captured the bigger story here and understand the horrific life Andrew has dealt with over his life time, but many have not. This man knew he had a problem, asked for the help to fix it, and as many noted let down time and time again. Mental illness is an extremely real thing and this story is very upsetting. What type of parents let down there child, Andrew's parents should be tried and convicted for not getting their child the help he needs. If you are not willing to go to the end of the earth for your child at any given moment you should not have them. If Andrew had cancer, would they have ignored this disease. Awful!
Sain, mental, whatever the problem may be, people should be held responsible for criminal acts. Goldstein obviously fell through the cracks of the mental health institution. He should pay for taking Kendra's life. There is no excuse for murder. God bless the Webdales, what a beautiful family.
Why is it okay for the police to drop this dangerous person off at the hospital ERs. He goes from an armed escort to nurses taking care of him. With so many attacks why was this person not locked up???? The national trend is to dump the mental patients on the ERs how does this help the person or the system. These type on dangerous individuals belong in prison not in our ERs or hospitals.
I feel for Kendra's family. It is a sad state of affairs when something this tragic has to happen to bring attention to a failed Mental Health System. Kendra is a victim as is Andrew. There will always be arguments on both sides as to if Andrew and others like him, are quilty. Personally, I don't know how we can hold a person responsible for actions taken when the illness controls the actions. The point made at the beginning of the show which states the current move is for community placement in NY, is also in place in Pa. Shorter hospital stays with followup in the community. Folow-up is not always "followed-up" with by a Social Worker or by the individual needing treatment. And families are at a loss as to how and what to do. My son was diagnosed with Major Depression in 1998. In 2002-2003, he had two suicide attempts within 30 days...one after being hospitalized for 6 days for suicidal ideations. Upon being released he attempted suicide within 12 hours of being released. Even though his hospital records state that he was high-risk for suiciding and needed long term treatment...he was released within 6 days of his attempt. As his mother I told the Social Worker that he was not compliant with medication or with appointments and that I felt that he was not ready for release. Within 90 days of his release, my son died. He was not a threat to anyone but himself...he was 18 yeas old. How do we make the system work? How much can we hold those who are ill accountable for their own treatment? for their actons? My son was a victim of the system...he was also his own victim...
Having a mentally ill son, I can relate to this severe problem of not enough proper treatment for the mentally ill. My son lives in an apartment without anything to do all day (enough to make anyone crazy) He does not like to live alone, but the only other options are room and boards which I belive is the right place for him right now, but because he has a tendancy to act out they will not keep him and no one will accept him now. We do have a wonderful program called the Pack Team where someone sees that he gets his meds,and sees that he is alright, but that doesn't solve the problem. My son would not be included in this program if it wasn't for me getting to the right person. The state of New York's mental health system didn't know why Mr. Goldstein didn't have an intensive case manager, I know why, he didn't have anyone to advocate for him. This is not right! Those who are not personally invloved with a mentally ill problem will never know what it is like.
I watched this story with hope. The hope that your show would shed light on a mental health system that not only doesn't work, but was never designed to work. I was found mentally disabled by a medical board after returning from Viet Nam and instead of treatment, I was given an Honorable Discharge and dumped on the streets, without so much as a phone call to my family. No medical advice or follow-up was ever offered and my condition worsened as I got older, ruining not only my own life, but all those that I came in contact with. I feel for the parents of that poor girl, but after all is said and done, a mental patient is in prison, not a hospital, and the family that wanted vindication turned around and sued the hospitals that were negligent, and without admitting the guilt that is obvious, they settled out of court for cash...and the beat goes on, it doesn't change, it just goes on and on and on..Our prisons, homeless shelters, and streets are filled with unwanted mentally ill who never get the treatment they need, because there's no profit in it. Why not do a story on how the system is all smoke and mirrors, with no intention to ever help the mentally ill by our government???


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